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the deficit has been improving. the federal deficit has improved over the last couple quarters. >> so is it the case that perhaps because the economy has done better that perhaps that would save us from a credit rating downgrade even if we go over the cliff? >> i don't expect another downgrade from the other rating firms. the next step would be putting it on negative watch. all three major credit rating firms have a negative outlook. the next step is a negative watch and then a downgrade. we don't expect that to happen. especially if the debt ceiling is raised, which is likely, not many people have been speaking about it, but that's likely to come out over the next couple of weeks. then there's the entitlement reform, which probably is more importantly actually than the deficit talks. >> so in terms of entitlement reform, if we have a mini deal, so to speak, where certain tax rates are maintained for the middle class, let's say, but the amount of time in which entitlement reform can be worked out is an extended time
the deficit has been improving. the federal deficit has improved over the last couple quarters. >> so is it the case that perhaps because the economy has done better that perhaps that would save us from a credit rating downgrade even if we go over the cliff? >> i don't expect another downgrade from the other rating firms. the next step would be putting it on negative watch. all three major credit rating firms have a negative outlook. the next step is a negative watch and then a...
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the problem with the fiscal cliff is it would put in place deficit reduction, but it would put in deficit reduction too much, too quickly, and with the wrong parts of the budget. so it would let all of the tax cuts expire, it would let many things like the alternative minimum tax hit the middle class. it would have a big, broad-based sequester that goes into place, not gradually, like we would want, to help not derail an economic recovery, but abruptly, and it deals with the wrong parts of the budget. so what you want to do is replace this big amount deficit reduction, all hitting just at the time when the economic recovery is starting to take hold, with a more thoughtful plan that's phased in gradually. so it doesn't do too much deficit reduction up-front, but it puts in the necessary changes to health care cost, retirement, tax reform, all over time and puts us on a sustainable path to a better place. >> let me ask you a central question. is america different from europe? can america continue to run huge budget deficits, because the feds can buy treasuries and prop up the market, and be
the problem with the fiscal cliff is it would put in place deficit reduction, but it would put in deficit reduction too much, too quickly, and with the wrong parts of the budget. so it would let all of the tax cuts expire, it would let many things like the alternative minimum tax hit the middle class. it would have a big, broad-based sequester that goes into place, not gradually, like we would want, to help not derail an economic recovery, but abruptly, and it deals with the wrong parts of the...
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i have a slightly deficit take. i certainly agree, banks have been on fire 40% versus s&p up the last six months. they've been terrific stocks recently. a lot of optimism gets put into these names and i see a lot of headwinds to tensipotentia pote it. >> being? >> regulatory pressure high. and keeping interest margins under pressure. loan demand is still pretty weak. cni, commercial and industrial loan demand is starting to weaken. you have political pressure and uncertainty, which remains high. there's a lot of problems here. one in particular, in regulation, i think is underappreciated here. you referenced it in your spot. the coming central clearing of derivatives mark, i think is a big problem. >> when i say basel-free, people's eyes glaze over, where are you regarding basel-free and what it means to profits? >> a fair question and huge unknown. we're starting to see some firms begin to reshape their business, particularly on the market side, where a lot of pressure is. there's a busy called fix income and commo
i have a slightly deficit take. i certainly agree, banks have been on fire 40% versus s&p up the last six months. they've been terrific stocks recently. a lot of optimism gets put into these names and i see a lot of headwinds to tensipotentia pote it. >> being? >> regulatory pressure high. and keeping interest margins under pressure. loan demand is still pretty weak. cni, commercial and industrial loan demand is starting to weaken. you have political pressure and uncertainty,...
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got a debt and deficit issue, debt-to-gdp issue way too high, approaching european levels, and we've got to solve it. >> such a pity that is it has to go down to the weather. >> my pleasure. >> the market is senting a happy new year. but now it's down just 16 points. >> feels like we're on thin as i aid with some so are you pouring your money into seconds sis no way. outdorg kay bailey hutchison is with us. kwoind out if she thinks there's room for a deal after the house reconvenes on sunday. stay tuned. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro. omnipotent of opportunity. you know how to mix business... with business. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle. and go. you can even take a full-size or above. and still pay the mid-size price. i could get used to this. [ male announcer ] yes, you could business pro. yes, you could. go national. go like a pro. >>> and there's your green, the doug, s&p and even the s&p are now all slightly in the green now. what happened here as, of course, the dow was down earlier today by nearly 150 points
got a debt and deficit issue, debt-to-gdp issue way too high, approaching european levels, and we've got to solve it. >> such a pity that is it has to go down to the weather. >> my pleasure. >> the market is senting a happy new year. but now it's down just 16 points. >> feels like we're on thin as i aid with some so are you pouring your money into seconds sis no way. outdorg kay bailey hutchison is with us. kwoind out if she thinks there's room for a deal after the house...
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this is not a deficit reduction deal that will stabilize the debt to gdp ratio and that has to be -- that has to be one of the goals of a broader deal that now we're probably going to be looking for on the other side of the cliff. >> yeah. i don't know. it doesn't seem to be any part of the president's goal. jared, good to see you always. jimmy, you, too. we'll get you guys back in just a few minutes. we'll get you to the roundtable if you haven't had enough yet. what will it mean for banks? new analysis shows that the expiration ever tax cuts will improve bank savings in 2013, by, listen to this, 54%. in other words, people will need to pull their cash savings out to pay for higher taxes. here now is dan geller, executive vice president of market rates insight. dan, good to have you here. walk me through this math. you're saying the average american is going to put 54% less into savings this year because if we go over the fiscal cliff? explain. >> yeah. let's go back, michelle because the amount of taxation on an average household is effort mated at $2600, and right now the average
this is not a deficit reduction deal that will stabilize the debt to gdp ratio and that has to be -- that has to be one of the goals of a broader deal that now we're probably going to be looking for on the other side of the cliff. >> yeah. i don't know. it doesn't seem to be any part of the president's goal. jared, good to see you always. jimmy, you, too. we'll get you guys back in just a few minutes. we'll get you to the roundtable if you haven't had enough yet. what will it mean for...
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spending, you know, let's get the deficit down, in other words, the gop has opportunities. it is the same old democratic party, katie, i don't see why the gop can't come back with the pro growth fiscally responsible message. >> i hate to break it to you, but republicans have been doing that for two years now. paul ryan has been beating the drum of entitlement reform for a long time. he's been demonized, and they've been running ads of him throwing grandma off the cliff. >> when's ryan making his comeback? when does marco rubio make his comeback? when do all of these fine governors make their comeback? i mean the republicans have a pretty deep bench. >> part of the calculation that i think conservatives and republicans are missing is that in this conversation, when we talk about a balanced approach, most -- a majority of middle class people, which is why 76% of americans are for taxing the rich, most americans have seen their defined benefits go down, their pensions decrease. so from their perspective and their wages have been stagnant at the same time -- hold on. >> whose f
spending, you know, let's get the deficit down, in other words, the gop has opportunities. it is the same old democratic party, katie, i don't see why the gop can't come back with the pro growth fiscally responsible message. >> i hate to break it to you, but republicans have been doing that for two years now. paul ryan has been beating the drum of entitlement reform for a long time. he's been demonized, and they've been running ads of him throwing grandma off the cliff. >> when's...
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now, the imf has suggested france should give itself more leeway to meet deficit targets. the fund's mission chief, edward gardener, said the country's target of 3% gdp was less pressing than cutting excess from public finances. the imf warned against more tax hikes, warning these could further restrict french economic growth. >>> and speaking exclusively to nbc, the ceo of alcatel-lucent says he expects french companies to continue to battle head winds. >> we will improve on structural inners, for sure. if you take a european approach, you certainly will see some of the benefits of the structural improvement that we made. but if you look two feet on the ground, i think 20 is 13 will not be substantially better than 2012. >> what about your business? >> i think what you saw in 2012 was that the u.s. market was very strong. europe was weak. china was very weak. and i think that if you look to 2013, the u.s. will stay strong. i think europe will stay where it was in 2012 and i think that in china, we'll see. >> how are you dealing with the competition from asian telecom equi
now, the imf has suggested france should give itself more leeway to meet deficit targets. the fund's mission chief, edward gardener, said the country's target of 3% gdp was less pressing than cutting excess from public finances. the imf warned against more tax hikes, warning these could further restrict french economic growth. >>> and speaking exclusively to nbc, the ceo of alcatel-lucent says he expects french companies to continue to battle head winds. >> we will improve on...
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the country managed to avoid bailout so far, but will not meet its deficit target for the full year. do you think spain should be given more time? >> well, first of all, i think that, again, spain is going in the right direction. when you look at the current account, the deficit, you see that it had been diminished massively since the peak that they had in 2008, 2009. and, you know, as a very short summing up, it's been divided by more than five, though it's very, very encouraging. on the other hand, you have unit labor costs which have been diminishing quite a lot and the exports of spain are very dynamic today. so it also demonstrates that hard work is being done. it's difficult. it's tough, but going in the right direction. i trust that the global observers are observing progressively and the adjustment is proceed. in spain and in all the countries that are under adjustment. >> now, lonmin's ceo ian farmer is stepping down while being treated for a serious illness after being first admitted to hospital back in august. the south african miner says it's already appointed an executiv
the country managed to avoid bailout so far, but will not meet its deficit target for the full year. do you think spain should be given more time? >> well, first of all, i think that, again, spain is going in the right direction. when you look at the current account, the deficit, you see that it had been diminished massively since the peak that they had in 2008, 2009. and, you know, as a very short summing up, it's been divided by more than five, though it's very, very encouraging. on the...
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anyone who travels around this country knows we have a public goods deficit. it's something we'd love to see more in helping to boost the underlying productivity of the economy. and implementation. this doesn't get enough discussion. the affordable care act and dodd-frank first term agenda items are not yet implemented and there's going to be a lot of that in term two. other than that i see probably tax and entitlement reform. and don't forget guns. guns are -- >> tax and entitlement reform. when does that happen. how does it happen? we're assuming a baby deal, so i assume that that doesn't happen in that context. are you talking about a grand bargain? >> right. i am. and i'm saying that these guys actually got pretty far towards some kind of a bargain that involved cutting some entitlement growth, restructuring the tax code in ways that i think are pretty good. >> when would this happen in your perfect world? >> i think this would start to happen, not too long after we resolve the cliff. so, probably late february, march it would begin. but it's going to take
anyone who travels around this country knows we have a public goods deficit. it's something we'd love to see more in helping to boost the underlying productivity of the economy. and implementation. this doesn't get enough discussion. the affordable care act and dodd-frank first term agenda items are not yet implemented and there's going to be a lot of that in term two. other than that i see probably tax and entitlement reform. and don't forget guns. guns are -- >> tax and entitlement...
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amazon is fighting many deficit fronts, fighting google, netflix, fighting apple. when eventually everything comes home to roost, amazon will have their rollover period. when it gets down to the 218 range, we welcome take some off but i think it will go over and crack the $200 level. >> you wont to go an that one? >> no. i think it could have trouble going forward and perhaps that outage on christmas eve on netflix showed the kink in the armor on their web services. >>> wrapping to the highest level in 21 months, the yen hits mult multilevel lows versus the u.s. dollar. let's bring in kathy. great to have you. nice to see you. >> great to be on. >> certainly is a popular trade these days. is it too crowded and likely tie soon? >> there's your question. well, basically the yen trade is the trade of the year that everyone was calling for in 2013. we've already seen a huge move. so i think that, you know, there's a lot of people who have ran into the trade over the past month. i think that, you know, while there's still fundamental reasons for the dollar yen to move h
amazon is fighting many deficit fronts, fighting google, netflix, fighting apple. when eventually everything comes home to roost, amazon will have their rollover period. when it gets down to the 218 range, we welcome take some off but i think it will go over and crack the $200 level. >> you wont to go an that one? >> no. i think it could have trouble going forward and perhaps that outage on christmas eve on netflix showed the kink in the armor on their web services. >>>...
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i think the words "come together" means something deficit to all of us. in the spirit of the holidays, in an effort to bring all our political leaders, i think "come together" means a lot. >> now, this come together message will go not only on coffee cups in the area but across old and new media. when we sat down and talked to customers here, it really really resonates with what customers want to see done. >> they do need to come together and i think they need to get this settled before we do go off the fiscal cliff because i think a lot of people are really stressed out. >>> think that message "come together" is exactly what needs to happen. i'm frustrated by six, 10 people who think they can hold out to get their last little pork or thing into the bill, that seems unfortunate. >> of course, in the age of social media, in particular, no message of any kind goes untweeted. we did hear from house speaker john boehner's spokesman, brendan buck, who tweeted quote my capitol hill location did not have an inspirational message. i feel so lost. and so it goes.
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i'm shaving a little bit off of this year's deficit. we're going to have fiscal problems for as far as the eye can see, an here's where an investor, a smart investor is going to want to diversify, especially into things like tangible assets like gold. >> you're going to make the case for gold here, which, you know, has had a heck of a run for the last decade or so, but it has started to show signs of wear and tear. what would propel gold from here necessarily? >> well, two things that i would have your viewers take a look at. the first is the reason why gold has kind of flattened out at about 1650 or so is because a huge amount of supply has come on the market. there's a lot of profit-takers who are worried about increased taxes next year. as you said, they have made a lot of money on gold, so they are selling it right now and locking in those profits. the other thing to look at that very few investors have caught on to but when i was at the mint we studied this, gold demand and gold prices correlate very well with the national debt cei
i'm shaving a little bit off of this year's deficit. we're going to have fiscal problems for as far as the eye can see, an here's where an investor, a smart investor is going to want to diversify, especially into things like tangible assets like gold. >> you're going to make the case for gold here, which, you know, has had a heck of a run for the last decade or so, but it has started to show signs of wear and tear. what would propel gold from here necessarily? >> well, two things...
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the facts is, if you're serious about this debt, if you're serious about deficit reduction, we have to be able to both get some new revenue. asking millionaires to pay a little bit more in marginal rates. we have to get serious about how we're going to do spending cuts in the right way. republicans have said department of defense shouldn't be on the table. we shouldn't demand more of the 50 seat accountability from across government. we are putting spending cuts on the table and investing for economic growth on the table. we need to stop having a discussion about who the bad guy is and start getting serious about getting this done. >> good luck on sunday night. we're all looking forward to seeing what you guys get done on sunday night when you're back in session. it's good to have you on. we have a market flash. >>> michelle, want to take a check on the share of facebook today. reversing some of the losses on reports that ichb stay gram had lost 25% of its users since it changed its service. the data came from a firm called app data. doing a bit of a deeper dive saying that the drop in
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it will add to what is already shaping up as a large production deficit. it's interesting, because in the middle of the year, they were saying 2013 we were going to have a big production surplus. doesn't look like it's going to go that way. however, it would be a help. this is not another gold or silver from the standpoint of causing a super explosion, in my opinion. >> what about oil, gas, the other liquids? >> i don't like natural gas. natural gas has kind of been a favorite because its long term prospects are excellent. if you ask me two, three, five years from now, i would be very bullish. right now we have record supplies. weather doesn't look that great. at least for the first part of the year, i don't particularly like it. now, crude oil over supplied market, more than abundant supply but i'm bullish. there's too much going on geopolitically. if we do have even this modest improvement in global demand for industrial commodities we talked about in copper, we will see that translate. i would not be short crude. i would be looking to buy weakness in cr
it will add to what is already shaping up as a large production deficit. it's interesting, because in the middle of the year, they were saying 2013 we were going to have a big production surplus. doesn't look like it's going to go that way. however, it would be a help. this is not another gold or silver from the standpoint of causing a super explosion, in my opinion. >> what about oil, gas, the other liquids? >> i don't like natural gas. natural gas has kind of been a favorite...
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direct limb reply indicated in the fiscal cliff talks but it is relevant to the larger issue of debt and deficits. the treasury can move money around in certain ways to extend the point where we actually reach a crisis for probably a couple of months. but this is an early warning sign. secondly, republicans in the house sent word to democrats in the senate, white house, it is your turn now. we acted to put off the fiscal cliff several months ago with a bill that without objection tend all of those bush tax rates into the future and would turn off the sequester by switching defense cuts over to domestic programs. democrats, of course have no intention of doing that. especially after president obama won the election. senate democratic leadership aide tells me that will remains a 50/50 chance we will get a mini deal temporary extension of tax cuts under $250,000 before the january 1 deadline when we would go over the cliff. will are no assurances of that. a white house official told me as president obama prepares to fly back to conduct and participate in the negotiations at the end, there has been n
direct limb reply indicated in the fiscal cliff talks but it is relevant to the larger issue of debt and deficits. the treasury can move money around in certain ways to extend the point where we actually reach a crisis for probably a couple of months. but this is an early warning sign. secondly, republicans in the house sent word to democrats in the senate, white house, it is your turn now. we acted to put off the fiscal cliff several months ago with a bill that without objection tend all of...
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the market will turn to a deficit in 2013 on increasing demand in the auto industry where palladium is used in exhaust systems for cars. combined with decreasing global supply, especially in south africa and russia, which control a number of the world's palladium mines, a rally that began in earnest in 2012 will go into overdrive in the new year. >>> all right. so then how should you play commodities next year? let us bring in rbc's george gero with his take on gold, silver and copper, and andy lit li lithbm. silver kicked butt. will it do so next year? >> i think so. i'm wearing my silver bullish cuff links if you notice that. i think this is the year for silver. silver is a bridge between investment demand and industrial demand and this year i think we're going to have both. >> how high do you see silver going, george? give us a number. >> i can't give you a specific number, but i'll give you a range of somewhere between oh, 40 to $45. >> okay. and that's your number one pick for next year, george. andy, you're over in the energy patch. what do you see for crude, gnna gas and for wha
the market will turn to a deficit in 2013 on increasing demand in the auto industry where palladium is used in exhaust systems for cars. combined with decreasing global supply, especially in south africa and russia, which control a number of the world's palladium mines, a rally that began in earnest in 2012 will go into overdrive in the new year. >>> all right. so then how should you play commodities next year? let us bring in rbc's george gero with his take on gold, silver and copper,...
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about half a trillion in cuts, over ten years, we're doing that every five months when it comes to the deficit. $100 billion more person month that we spend over what we take in. you have to have bigger cuts on the table to get republicans to come along. >> we're only paying for 40% of what we spend today. it's interesting to see and what the futures are doing right now. very thinly traded at this hour on a friday evening it would be interesting to see and what they signal in terms of where we stand, now that we've heard from the president and some sort of modest optimism from both leader reid and minority leader mitch mcconnell. >> tyler, we want to go back to eamon javers. >> you just said when will we hear now from the president again? nbc news is tweeting that barack obama will appear as a guest on "meet the press" this weekend. when we will hear from the president again will be sunday morning. something to watch out for over the weekend. presumably, we'll get incremental details on what this deal is. as this is negotiated throughout friday night, into saturday and the president's appearan
about half a trillion in cuts, over ten years, we're doing that every five months when it comes to the deficit. $100 billion more person month that we spend over what we take in. you have to have bigger cuts on the table to get republicans to come along. >> we're only paying for 40% of what we spend today. it's interesting to see and what the futures are doing right now. very thinly traded at this hour on a friday evening it would be interesting to see and what they signal in terms of...
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long-term consequence of leaving things the way they are in the fiscal cliff takes $7.3 trillion out of deficit over ten years, isn't that what we really have to do? it seems to me i would really be interested in investing in american equities if i knew the financial situation was under hold >> you say the ends justify the means, no matter how painful? >> it doesn't matter how painful it is and it will be a short shallow recession if we go into it. if we kick the can down the road as so many of you are saying we hope would happen. that's not what should happen for the long-term future of the country. >> you're saying, come on, folks, let's settle. it won't be that big of a deal. right? >> i do disagree with howard a little bit in that i don't think cutting $7.3 trillion, the way this deal says that we should, is the best way to -- to deal with our long-term budget issues. kind of like, you know, you know you have to lose weight so you starve yourself as opposed to some sort of pragmatic balance of, you know, diet and exercise and this deal doesn't get you to the pragmatic part. the flip side, o
long-term consequence of leaving things the way they are in the fiscal cliff takes $7.3 trillion out of deficit over ten years, isn't that what we really have to do? it seems to me i would really be interested in investing in american equities if i knew the financial situation was under hold >> you say the ends justify the means, no matter how painful? >> it doesn't matter how painful it is and it will be a short shallow recession if we go into it. if we kick the can down the road...
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the market will turn to a deficit on 2013 in the increasing demand in the auto industry where palladium is used in systems for cars. combined with the global system supply. a rally that began in earnest at the end of 2012 will go into overdrive in the new year. . >> joining us now is dan dickert. you just said palladium. that's a big pick for you? >> i was surprised that sharon spoke about palladium. it was my sleeper bet for 2013. >> what's going on with palladium? >> it's a real industrial metal. it's in short supply. it's undertraded, underowned and one of those industrial metals. it's one of those sleeper metal plays that you can make. used in vehicles? >> in the cat converters. that's the main use for them. there's a real shortage that's been going on in palladium. >> look into the crystal ball. give us an oil price if you came back here a year from today. >> this is the toughest one ever. this is the third year i've conpredictions for you twice. it's not so bad. >> you said it would fluctuate? >> there was one guy who said it would rachet between $130 and $160. i said you have to
the market will turn to a deficit on 2013 in the increasing demand in the auto industry where palladium is used in systems for cars. combined with the global system supply. a rally that began in earnest at the end of 2012 will go into overdrive in the new year. . >> joining us now is dan dickert. you just said palladium. that's a big pick for you? >> i was surprised that sharon spoke about palladium. it was my sleeper bet for 2013. >> what's going on with palladium? >>...
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if we're going to have a good solution that gets at our deficit and reduce our debt everything has to be on the table and we'll deal with it. it's great to have rules. we just like to know what they are so we can make the right investments moving forward. >> even if it puts us in a climate of slow growth, even more slow growth than the economy which would be the kind of a climate where you as a ceo wouldn't want to invest in that anyway, you know what i mean? >> so i think a grand bargain won't create a slow economy. i think it will restore confidence and we'll all invest. we'll know what the rules are and the game plan is. weied be ready to move ahead. we have opportunities to grow all the way around the world. we need to know where to put our capital investment. if we know what the rules are, we'll invest. 60% to 65% of our costs are people and we put people back to work every day. >> you don't expect a grand bargain? >> no. >> meaning? >> a short-term fix and perhaps a recession. they talk about this bungee approach and i don't think that's helpful. let's take it away from american
if we're going to have a good solution that gets at our deficit and reduce our debt everything has to be on the table and we'll deal with it. it's great to have rules. we just like to know what they are so we can make the right investments moving forward. >> even if it puts us in a climate of slow growth, even more slow growth than the economy which would be the kind of a climate where you as a ceo wouldn't want to invest in that anyway, you know what i mean? >> so i think a grand...
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and if anything, there could be a peace dividend if we got to that where we would cut the budget deficit, a la happened in the '90s. i don't think you should look at this issue in a way to make money off it, though. it's really not a need mover. as a matter of fact, it can be negative for a lot of the defense companies as we know. they've been under a cloud because of these cuts. here's one from danny in new york. jim, i heard you say when considering playing the downside of an equity that you would short the stock rather than buy a put. please elaborate on your reasoning. i favor puts to avoid the high risk of a short position. danny, so glad you sent me this. if i created any misperception that i favor shorting stocks, it is out of character with all my books and what i used to do at my hedge fund or working at goldman sachs or trading for myself. i do puts, layerly shorts. i was a victim of hortishort squeeze that's lost me a ton of money. use puts. i don't care if there's a premium. all right. let's go to some tweets. here's one from bkelly019. covered calls allow moo to print money
and if anything, there could be a peace dividend if we got to that where we would cut the budget deficit, a la happened in the '90s. i don't think you should look at this issue in a way to make money off it, though. it's really not a need mover. as a matter of fact, it can be negative for a lot of the defense companies as we know. they've been under a cloud because of these cuts. here's one from danny in new york. jim, i heard you say when considering playing the downside of an equity that you...
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if you don't get a deal obviously you have a massive decline in the deficit for doing nothing. i do think it works right now but i don't see a lot of upside. it is a place to hide. >> good stuff as always. see you on the other side of the new year. wish you the best. >> thank you. >> mike santelli yahoo finance. let me pose the question as i did before in this segment this way. how much is a deal worth to the stock market? >> i think a deal is worth probably 500 points in the stock market if for no other reason than the fact if you're talking about certainty right now we're under this cloud. we have no certainty whatsoever. so for that reason i think stocks like apple, for instance, one of those we've been talking about for a month. why are they selling off apple? fundamentally as the story changed? absolutely not. a hundred and some odd dollars lower than it was. >> i think a deal gets us to 4% to 5% we've given back, gets the s&p back up to its high of 1475. >> i think it's also what it checks on the down side. we're a consumer driven economy. you can see the consumer confide
if you don't get a deal obviously you have a massive decline in the deficit for doing nothing. i do think it works right now but i don't see a lot of upside. it is a place to hide. >> good stuff as always. see you on the other side of the new year. wish you the best. >> thank you. >> mike santelli yahoo finance. let me pose the question as i did before in this segment this way. how much is a deal worth to the stock market? >> i think a deal is worth probably 500 points...
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so it adds to the deficit and only is willing to raise taxes on millionaires and above and that is getting through the senate. so what you're saying the reverse is true when you look at the house. boehner can pass the senate bill tomorrow as harry reid said today, but he doesn't want to do it with democrats and he wants a majority of the majority. is there anything wrong? wouldn't you like a bipartisan coming together here and everybody's in this? >> it would not be at all, and any of the plans at all, joy. and they campaign on three to one spending on we haven't seen anything like that come out of the senate. and they will not do anything to come out of the senate. >> john boehner can't get his own caulk us to take a vote on his idea to only raise the tax rates. he can't even get his own caucus to do that and he's been humiliated over and over by his own caulk us and he can solve it tomorrow. >> joy ann, harry reid hasn't passed a budget in years. >> he's passed a solution to this crisis. we're talking about the fiscal cliff. >> it hasn't got ensigned into law. there's no success yet ther
so it adds to the deficit and only is willing to raise taxes on millionaires and above and that is getting through the senate. so what you're saying the reverse is true when you look at the house. boehner can pass the senate bill tomorrow as harry reid said today, but he doesn't want to do it with democrats and he wants a majority of the majority. is there anything wrong? wouldn't you like a bipartisan coming together here and everybody's in this? >> it would not be at all, and any of the...
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that's an 8% budget deficit to gdp. we're in the same realm as spain. we're not -- we do not have good optics here. i think it's going to get worse before it gets better. >> craig, you know, i understand that we need a real good kick in the pants, in the fiscal pants if you like, right, to get this house in order. at the same time, if we go over that cliff, this is real money to real people. this is money being taken out of people's paychecks. this is some people losing their unemployment benefits. all kinds of things could happen. how bad could it be? >> well, it certainly could be bad. just as an example of that, if you look at the payroll tax cut alo alone, that doesn't seem to be on the board. that could be an increase in the gasoline tax of $1.25 a gallon. there will be effects, but that has to happen at some point. we've been living on sugar high for too long now. at some point we have to get back to fiscal discipline. there's going to be some pain involved. >> craig, politicians don't get re-elected by not giving out candy. they get elected by gi
that's an 8% budget deficit to gdp. we're in the same realm as spain. we're not -- we do not have good optics here. i think it's going to get worse before it gets better. >> craig, you know, i understand that we need a real good kick in the pants, in the fiscal pants if you like, right, to get this house in order. at the same time, if we go over that cliff, this is real money to real people. this is money being taken out of people's paychecks. this is some people losing their unemployment...
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we can't run trillion dollar deficits for a year and expect to get away with that long term. so i think there is a trade-off here in terms of some penalty to growth next year. longer term there are benefits though and going into the year i think you just have to have maybe a little cash in the portfolio but be looking to put money to work in companies that are going to survive, good balance sheets and consistent profitability. stocks are cheap relative to bonds so i don't want to get too defensive here. >> you were with us at the top of the hour and made clear you were on hold until you see something about a fiscal cliff resolution of some kind. is there nothing you would buy between now and the end of the year? >> nothing. maybe some inverse etfs, bill, quite honestly. i want to see not just fiscal cliff resolution but i want to see q 1 earnings. i'm sorry. q 4 earnings. last quarter's earnings were not all that exciting. we really saw the european effect take hold in a lot of these companies really laboring and a lot have bounced back. i think again it is this liquidity dri
we can't run trillion dollar deficits for a year and expect to get away with that long term. so i think there is a trade-off here in terms of some penalty to growth next year. longer term there are benefits though and going into the year i think you just have to have maybe a little cash in the portfolio but be looking to put money to work in companies that are going to survive, good balance sheets and consistent profitability. stocks are cheap relative to bonds so i don't want to get too...
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. >> there's a lot of people that say what we need to do, we can run a 2% deficit. we need to get back to "x" amount of revenue, and "y" amount of government spending. and most people say somewhere between like 18 revenue, 20 spending, maybe 19 revenue, 21 pending. given what the democrats and the white house are offering on the spending cuts, do you feel that maybe they're thinking they want to keep it at 23, 22, 24? we're not seeing anything that gets us anywhere near 20 or 21 in terms of the offers we're seeing from them. are we? >> no. no. i mean, this would be like, you know, in 1969, we landed the first man on the moon. but it would have never happened if -- the only thing they worried about was exactly how the, you know, the lunar module was going to land, but not how they were going to leave the atmosphere of the earth. you can't worry about the little details on these tax issues. as much as the winners of the election want to punish the rich, because i can't think of any other reason that we dwell so much on that side of it, the rest of it, what did i read?
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we still have a huge deficit. if we do not take on spending, then the cliff may not seem like a cliff but will be a downward slide to make us like greece. no lodnger a viable economic power. >> hang on. we'll continue this. we have to take a quick break. the fiscal cliff has the president sounding like new york yankees legend yoeg gi ber ra. >> this is deja shz vu all over again. americans want to know why you can't get stuff down in an organized timetable. >> so if we all saw it coming, why did congress wait so long to do something about it? why do toys for tots and hasbro trust duracell to power their donated toys? duralock power preserve. it locks in power for up to 10 years in storage. guaranteed. duracell with duralock. trusted everywhere. anyone have occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas, bloating? yeah. one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day helps defend against these digestive issues with three strains of good bacteria. approved! [ female announcer ] live the regular life. phillips'. >>> we are
we still have a huge deficit. if we do not take on spending, then the cliff may not seem like a cliff but will be a downward slide to make us like greece. no lodnger a viable economic power. >> hang on. we'll continue this. we have to take a quick break. the fiscal cliff has the president sounding like new york yankees legend yoeg gi ber ra. >> this is deja shz vu all over again. americans want to know why you can't get stuff down in an organized timetable. >> so if we all saw...
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we still have a trillion-dollar deficit. we've got a lot of work to do. >> we do have a lot of work to do all i ask is we get the work down. stephen moore, always a pleasure to talk to you. we'll be talking a lot in 2013. >>> coming up, the great tax debate that stephen was just talking about. does raising tax on the wealthy really hurt the economy? i'll give you an answer after this. >>> the biggest issue in all the fiscal cliff wrangling is taxes. it's not the most important issue, but it's the central one. grover norquist told you his strong opposition to any tax increases of any sort. many republicans share his view. let's look at the economy. obviously across the board tax increases would hurt the economy. but what will the real economic reaction be to small tax increases on the wealthiest americans? now, annie lowrie of the "new york times" is still with us. i always have to make sure my viewers understand i am not advocating for tax increases on the rich. i want to explain what could happen. i want to bring in jean za
we still have a trillion-dollar deficit. we've got a lot of work to do. >> we do have a lot of work to do all i ask is we get the work down. stephen moore, always a pleasure to talk to you. we'll be talking a lot in 2013. >>> coming up, the great tax debate that stephen was just talking about. does raising tax on the wealthy really hurt the economy? i'll give you an answer after this. >>> the biggest issue in all the fiscal cliff wrangling is taxes. it's not the most...
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it ought to be about reducing the deficit and the debt and what they are essentially suggesting is we want new taxes, we want higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> senator, senator mcconnell has spoken a couple times with the vpz. we have seen in the past that the two of them have been able to come up with bipartisan deals to get through congress on taxes and other things. did he give you an indication in the meeting you just had with rank and file republicans that might be an avenue of success? >> there -- those conversations and discussions continue. and we remain hopeful that that will get a breakthrough. on veryiously, what had happened here between the two leaders in the senate had broken down because the senate democrats failed to come forward with a counteroffer to the proposal republicans made last night. so hopefully, the discussions between the vice president and senator mcconnell will get us back on track, hopefully get a breakthrough and something we can vote on, hopefully today or tomorrow that will avert what we believe will be an economic di
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these tax increases for the rich or not, as you know, you've said, we still have a trillion-dollar deficit. we have a lot of work to do. >> we do. all i ask is that we get the work done. steven moore, always a pleasure. thank you. we'll talk to you a lot in 2013. >>> up next, the great tax debate that steven was just talking act. does raising tax on the wealthy really hurt the economy? i'll give you an answer. s. but you're progressive, and they're them. yes. but they're here. yes. are you...? there? yes. no. are you them? i'm me. but those rates are for... them. so them are here. yes! you want to run through it again? no, i'm good. you got it? yes. rates for us and them -- now that's progressive. call or click today. meet the 5-passenger ford c-max hybrid. when you're carrying a lot of weight, c-max has a nice little trait, you see, c-max helps you load your freight, with its foot-activated lift gate. but that's not all you'll see, cause c-max also beats prius v, with better mpg. say hi to the all-new 47 combined mpg c-max hybrid. >>> the biggest issue is tax increases. many republicans s
these tax increases for the rich or not, as you know, you've said, we still have a trillion-dollar deficit. we have a lot of work to do. >> we do. all i ask is that we get the work done. steven moore, always a pleasure. thank you. we'll talk to you a lot in 2013. >>> up next, the great tax debate that steven was just talking act. does raising tax on the wealthy really hurt the economy? i'll give you an answer. s. but you're progressive, and they're them. yes. but they're here....
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but $90 million isn't that much, especially when you consider the federal deficit is $16 trillion and climbing. to retire the debt, every single american would have to pay $50,000. but garcia says, you got to start somewhere. especially when washington won't. the partisan bickering has bothered him since -- >> 1992. >> reporter: that's when garcia first wrote his congressman, suggesting a formula to eliminate the death. the depression era kid and army veteran says he's giving back to a country that's given him so much. a sense that's infectious. his daughter is now collecting cabs at work. his grandson drives garcia to friends' houses, just to collect
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separately is how do we bring down our deficit? do we attack social security entitlements, medicare, medicaid and that's this ideological struggle we're seeing between democrats and republicans that will continue in a series of skirmishes probably over the debt ceiling come february and ongoing until they finally have it out and resolve this for the long term. >> i think the white house's view in political terms is that how he handles himself on this sets the terms of engagement for those subsequent fights. again, a few weeks ago, when i was talking to people at the white house about how they were going to strategize this, they said look, this is a re-set moment and we've got to re-set sort of the balance of power from the 2011 talks. >> i think it's worth emphasizing on the numbers you mentioned the public overwhelming supports raises faxes on the wealthy but on the spending cuts they oppose cutting those programs in large numbers. when you get specific about that, don't cut that, don't cut that. >> hands off medicare. >> the pres
separately is how do we bring down our deficit? do we attack social security entitlements, medicare, medicaid and that's this ideological struggle we're seeing between democrats and republicans that will continue in a series of skirmishes probably over the debt ceiling come february and ongoing until they finally have it out and resolve this for the long term. >> i think the white house's view in political terms is that how he handles himself on this sets the terms of engagement for those...
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and this was all supposed to be an exercise in bringing down our deficit and our long-term debt and where we are right now, it doesn't appear that we are getting that done and even more importantly, it appears that republicans are still trying to protect the tippy top as opposed to looking after the greater good of the economy and middle class families. >> as far as you-all were told by the democratic leader, where do you think stands -- things stand right now? >> i think that there is a difference in terms of what we think the rates should be for -- and at what point there should be a tax cut and at what point there should be a little revenue that we should collect. there is a difference there. there was a difference about whether or not we should be looking at the social security issue in this discussion. my understanding now the republicans have backed off now, correct, and we are looking at whether or not we are going to end up with deficit and debt reduction and whether or not the changes the republicans are insisting upon are going to comes on the backs of the middle class. >>
and this was all supposed to be an exercise in bringing down our deficit and our long-term debt and where we are right now, it doesn't appear that we are getting that done and even more importantly, it appears that republicans are still trying to protect the tippy top as opposed to looking after the greater good of the economy and middle class families. >> as far as you-all were told by the democratic leader, where do you think stands -- things stand right now? >> i think that there...
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the bad news i don't think we'll have meaningful deficit reduction and this is going to keep dragging on and on. >> you advocate for raising the capital gains tax which could make main street owe a lot more money than it does now. that is being discussed as part of a fiscal cliff deal but money believe that will hurt the economy and giving a disincentive to invest money. is that just focused on the real wealthy? >> i hear that argument a lot. number one, i'm really tired of our tax policy decisions and everything being made by what the market is going to do in the next quarter. look, this is an aberration and the tax code and grossly unfair. you look at say they raise tax rates, the top tax rate to 39.6% for those making more than $500,000, that's going to mean a lot of small businesses are going to pay that nearly 40% marginal tax rate where you have billionaire private equity funds paying 15, 20 or even 24 depending on where they put it. not an issue of penalizing investment income but penalizing labor and those who make their income through wages and they should both be taxed at th
the bad news i don't think we'll have meaningful deficit reduction and this is going to keep dragging on and on. >> you advocate for raising the capital gains tax which could make main street owe a lot more money than it does now. that is being discussed as part of a fiscal cliff deal but money believe that will hurt the economy and giving a disincentive to invest money. is that just focused on the real wealthy? >> i hear that argument a lot. number one, i'm really tired of our tax...
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health care, the biggest add to our deficit in this country is rising health care costs. do we need to tangle those? how do they interact with the changes that are going to be set up across the country. is it going to cost the taxpayer more or less? all those have to be in the realm of realistic facts and figures. >> you're in arizona today. many of your constituents worked over the holidays. do you think congress should have stayed in washington to work for an agreement? >> absolutely. absolutely. once you know, once the boehner plan "b" collapsed, all we got was a notification, you can go home. we'll call you when we're ready. boehner's got to get off -- the majority of the majority must agree to something. it's going to take democratic votes to pass a tough fiscal compromise and unless there is inclusion and discussion on both sides of the aisle about this issue, that compromise gets tougher and tougher. >> thank you for coming "outfront." >> appreciate it. thank you. >> now, on the other side of the aisle. republican congressman of wisconsin. congressman, you just hea
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you said you would cut the deficit in half. it's still four years later, we still have a trillion dollar deficit. >> a roller coaster where for a long time it was thought to be a foregone conclusion the president would win. >> let's not. let's let him respond. >> while mitt romney came on strong, the president's lackluster performance, looking down, scowling, growling, left many democrats stunned. >> they all assumed the fetal position and sobbed in unison. that was terrible. it was hard to watch, but some of the analysis afterwards really exposed some deficiencies in the democratic machine. >> for the republicans, it was arguably the best moment of the whole year for their candidate. >> i don't think his campaign really kicked into high gear until that first debate when he started to get some momentum. >> unfortunately for romney -- ♪ here i am >> it was also the best wake-up call for president obama who came alive in the next two encounters. >> we have to reduce our deficit but we have to do it in a balanced way. >> worst n
you said you would cut the deficit in half. it's still four years later, we still have a trillion dollar deficit. >> a roller coaster where for a long time it was thought to be a foregone conclusion the president would win. >> let's not. let's let him respond. >> while mitt romney came on strong, the president's lackluster performance, looking down, scowling, growling, left many democrats stunned. >> they all assumed the fetal position and sobbed in unison. that was...
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the deficit and the debt and that is happening today to put a patch on not going over the cliff. there has to be new revenues and some entitlement reform, and cpi is the most painless way to do it. and the president offered it in a deal as recently as a week or two ago, and spending cuts, but right now, it is not a grand bargain, because we have the debt ceiling hanging out in two months. this is an attempt to avoid political pain and going over the cliff and we can't get an agreement on a patch with less than 36 hours to go. >> and don, this is the problem, something is the going to hurt. we can't get out with no pain, and we have all sorts of things and nobody wants to pay for it, don. >> you two are fired up, too. and the people at home are too, right. >> and 516 days since we knew that the deadline would come. >> and right at the deadline, and they are going home. >> right. and we are not. >> we are not. we will be here until who knows. okay. a stalemate or breakthrough? with hours to go, lawmakers are searching for a compromise. what are the chances of reaching a deal in was
the deficit and the debt and that is happening today to put a patch on not going over the cliff. there has to be new revenues and some entitlement reform, and cpi is the most painless way to do it. and the president offered it in a deal as recently as a week or two ago, and spending cuts, but right now, it is not a grand bargain, because we have the debt ceiling hanging out in two months. this is an attempt to avoid political pain and going over the cliff and we can't get an agreement on a...
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the reality is we're running deficits upwards of $1 trillion which we can't afford. we've got $16 trillion worth of debt. if we go through this cliff, it will force our country to have to cut spending. on the flip side, it means higher taxes out of everyone's pocket at a time when the economy is still on fragile ground, showing signs of recovery. we've got good ones this week. but still on fragile ground, and people are worried that if consumers have less money to spend, it's going to really take its toll on this u.s. economy. >> i know you're reading the tea leaves, so what are they telling you? will we have a deal in time? >> reporter: it's interesting. about 66% of investors polled by ubs, the swiss bank, say that they believe a deal will happen. i can tell you the people that i talk to on my show every day, they're placing bets one way or the other. the majority think there's a real good chance that we blow right through this. that we actually go right through it. and they're hedging their bets in the investment community because they're not confident that the po
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tax hikes on the rich alone will not put all that much of a accident in the national deficit. you could take away every dollar from the top 1% earners and it wouldn't fill the gap. we heard earlier in the week about chained cpi, a suggestion john boehner made for his proposal. christine? >> chain cpi would change the way the federal government calculates inflation, which could stave federal government $300 billion over the next decade if implemented. the consumer price index measures how much they go up by tracking a basket of goods that americans typically buy. this is important because it's used to calculate cost of living adjustments and social security. checks pay a little more each year in line with inflation as calculated by that consumer price index. now, one potential flaw in the system, consumer price index assumes people don't change their basket, if, say, the price of meat goes up. in other words, they don't switch from meat to chicken because the price of beef has gone up. they don't switch from, say, arugula to, i don't know, iceberg lettuce. it doesn't account fo
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to reduce the deficit more than any other deficit reduction package. >> mohammed aladarin is the ceo of pimco and mark zandy is a chief moist at moody's analytics and joining me in studio is christine romans. the gdp for the u.s. grew at 3.1% over the summer. that's more than double the rate of the previous quarter. you can see the chart, it's been choppy, but it looks like we're going in the right direction. america's economy is gaining pace, doing better than expected. and we've been saying the 2013 could be the year of a real economic renaissance in the united states or at least the beginning of one. talk to me about the consequences to our prosperity if washington doesn't reach a deal. >> the consequences are not good. so what the numbers are telling you is that the private sector is healing. and if the private sector were left to its own devices, it would heal faster. unfortunately, washington is getting in the way. and what we find out this week, ali, is that the problem is not just a lack of trust between democrats and republicans, we found out that the republicans themselves
to reduce the deficit more than any other deficit reduction package. >> mohammed aladarin is the ceo of pimco and mark zandy is a chief moist at moody's analytics and joining me in studio is christine romans. the gdp for the u.s. grew at 3.1% over the summer. that's more than double the rate of the previous quarter. you can see the chart, it's been choppy, but it looks like we're going in the right direction. america's economy is gaining pace, doing better than expected. and we've been...
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republicans demand that the government reduce its deficit as a condition for raising the debt ceiling. both democrats and republicans earth tactics that shut down the government and ultimately cost america its aaa credit rating for the first time in history. but in a last-minute compromise, both sides agree to a trillion dollars in spending cuts up front and another $1.2 trillion in cuts to be decided by a special congressional supercommittee. but a poison pill was attached. if the supercommittee can't reach a deal, automatic across the board cuts known as a sequester would go into effect be at the exact moment when those bush tax cuts extended for two years would expire. so the point is we could have all seen this coming and some of us did. we yelled at the top of our lungs about it but were drowned out by the election. it seems that good governance gets drowned out by continuous elections in america. this time there may be a serious price to pay for it. >> if we go off the fiscal cliff, be will you notice an immediate change to your wallet? we want to get a reality check from stephe
republicans demand that the government reduce its deficit as a condition for raising the debt ceiling. both democrats and republicans earth tactics that shut down the government and ultimately cost america its aaa credit rating for the first time in history. but in a last-minute compromise, both sides agree to a trillion dollars in spending cuts up front and another $1.2 trillion in cuts to be decided by a special congressional supercommittee. but a poison pill was attached. if the...
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a lot of people are worried it's going to decrease the deficit. so a lot of complicated issues and political issues. and we hear it all of the time. >> let's talk about lake superior state university and how this list compiling all began. >> it was a bet new year's eve, 1976. >> long ago. >> yep. and they discussed how many words and phrases are overused too often. and the originator of this list back in 1976 went back and drew up a list of five words to submit to upi, united press international. and the whole thing took off from there, and we take nominations from all over the world. whatever floats to the top gets to our list. >> and is i was going to ask how that happened. people can, what, make suggestions, somehow contact your university and say here's a word i want banished. >> lssubanished. do a search and it will get you right to our page. and there is still time to vote, by the way. the list comes out on monday at 12:01. if we get anymore packed ballot boxes, we'll include those. >> do that right now. a few of the words banished for 2012,
a lot of people are worried it's going to decrease the deficit. so a lot of complicated issues and political issues. and we hear it all of the time. >> let's talk about lake superior state university and how this list compiling all began. >> it was a bet new year's eve, 1976. >> long ago. >> yep. and they discussed how many words and phrases are overused too often. and the originator of this list back in 1976 went back and drew up a list of five words to submit to upi,...
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they could have had a more popular message about cutting deficit spending, right? >> the truth is they would have been a lot better off taking the deal that boehner was negotiating with president obama way back when. it was a better deal all the way around. they missed that moment. but i think the real thing is who pays the price. the people who are going to pay the price are the americans, the middle class. this is crazy. it's nuts to be putting us through this. >> maria, all the focus on tax cuts. but the revenue from increasing the taxes on the wealthy will barely make a debt in the deficit to say nothing of the trillions in debt we're talking about. is this just a symbolic fight that the president is determined to win off his election? >> it's not symbolic. there will be money raised if the tax cuts for the top 2% are left to expire. but let me just bring up a point. no democrat and certainly not this president has said there should be no spending cuts. on the contrary this president has put on the table quite an extraordinary amount of spending cuts to the cha
they could have had a more popular message about cutting deficit spending, right? >> the truth is they would have been a lot better off taking the deal that boehner was negotiating with president obama way back when. it was a better deal all the way around. they missed that moment. but i think the real thing is who pays the price. the people who are going to pay the price are the americans, the middle class. this is crazy. it's nuts to be putting us through this. >> maria, all the...